the essence and quintessence
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Huge long book post! All the new books I’ve acquired after three years of a no-new-books hiatus, a glory of reading. (With bonus photos, unrelated to the books, below.) Details may or may not contain spoilers, poke me in comments if wanting to know more while remaining unspoiled. (Also, a gold star for anyone who can identify the post title quotation.)
Ben Aaronovitch, Amongst Our Weapons and What Abigail Did That Summer (novels)
Seth Berkman, A Team of Their Own (nonfiction)
Zen Cho, Black Water Sister (novel)
Alice Degan, From All False Doctrine (novel)
Bernardine Evaristo, Girl, Woman, Other (novel)
Cynthia Harrod-Eagles, Headlong, Cruel as the Grave, Dying Fall (novels)
Higuchi Asa, 大きく振りかぶって vol. 36 (manga)
Ren Hutchings, Under Fortunate Stars (novel)
L.D. Inman, Household Lights (novel)
C.L.R. James, Beyond A Boundary (memoir)
Freya Marske, A Marvellous Light (novel)
Tessa Morris-Suzuki, To the Diamond Mountains (nonfiction)
Janet Neel, I Meant To Be A Lawyer (memoir)
Nina Mingya Powles, Tiny Moons: A Year of Eating in Shanghai (memoir)
Huma Qureshi, How We Met (memoir)
S. E. Robertson, The Healers’ Purpose (novel)
Jing Tsu, Kingdom of Characters (nonfiction)
Cynthia Zhang, After the Dragons (novel)
Phew! Photos: mostly from a day in Kyoto after the heaviest snowfall in a decade, we didn’t time our trip that way but it really doesn’t usually look like this. (No, those are not cherry blossoms. Really.) Also, just for fun, the results of my plot work for the second half of book 2 (next time I’ll use more different-colored post-its…) and me in lunarriviera's excellent Guardian T-shirt, with authentic Haixing pseudo-English as well.
Be safe and well.
Ben Aaronovitch, Amongst Our Weapons and What Abigail Did That Summer (novels)
The Rivers of London series have always been in the “fun to read, good to reread” category for me rather than on my “fantastic, don’t reread too often so as not to spoil” list; the first two books in particular had too much violence and too much weird stuff with women to make me happy, but unlike a lot of people, I’ve liked them more and more as the series goes on. Part of this is that I was never much of a Peter/Nightingale fan (although I’ve read some damn good fics with that pairing); I love them both individually, but Peter just seems to me like someone who is essentially attracted to women (I’m okay with Peter/Beverley, especially given my thoughts on Peter’s future, based on maybe two throwaway lines), and Nightingale I imagine as technically bisexual, capable of sleeping with both men and women and enjoying it, but both by nature and nurture intensely homosocial, so that his meaningful relationships, especially but not only sexual/romantic ones, are with men (and after Lesley’s defection he did some soul-searching over this)—but that said, unlikely to be attracted seriously to someone who didn’t share at least some version of his long troubled history. Varvara Sidorovna if she’d been a man, for instance.
I also really love the ensemble cast, and I enjoy murder mysteries which are basically “go around and talk to a lot of people and get little glimpses of different lives and personalities and dialogue” (see also Cynthia Harrod-Eagles).
The two new books are probably my favorites so far. Abigail’s book is amazing—I was thinking based on the previous books that Aaronovitch had made her rather over-powered, having her turn out to be a genius all of a sudden, but her narration really feels like a very bright, driven teenager who is also coping with a lot. (I have no clue whether it comes off as authentic for a gifted mixed-race teenage girl at a London comprehensive, but it works for me.) I love her and I want more of her, and also the way the foxes talk is fantastic. Peter’s new book also worked well for me—it’s more leisurely than some (although I could still do without the one or two extended action scenes) and, on the whole, about new chances and people being kind to each other, not without Peter’s usual extended digressions on architecture. (I usually don’t do audiobooks etc., but I’ve heard good things about these and am wondering if I should get myself one, what’s the verdict?)
I also really love the ensemble cast, and I enjoy murder mysteries which are basically “go around and talk to a lot of people and get little glimpses of different lives and personalities and dialogue” (see also Cynthia Harrod-Eagles).
The two new books are probably my favorites so far. Abigail’s book is amazing—I was thinking based on the previous books that Aaronovitch had made her rather over-powered, having her turn out to be a genius all of a sudden, but her narration really feels like a very bright, driven teenager who is also coping with a lot. (I have no clue whether it comes off as authentic for a gifted mixed-race teenage girl at a London comprehensive, but it works for me.) I love her and I want more of her, and also the way the foxes talk is fantastic. Peter’s new book also worked well for me—it’s more leisurely than some (although I could still do without the one or two extended action scenes) and, on the whole, about new chances and people being kind to each other, not without Peter’s usual extended digressions on architecture. (I usually don’t do audiobooks etc., but I’ve heard good things about these and am wondering if I should get myself one, what’s the verdict?)
Seth Berkman, A Team of Their Own (nonfiction)
An account of the formation of the mixed South-North Korea women’s hockey team at the Pyeongchang Olympics. This was just a much sadder book than I expected—even before North Korea comes anywhere near the story, it’s a recounting of poverty (teenagers turning down overseas study because their sports stipends are helping keep their families fed…), injuries (hockey is brutal on the body), racism (much of the book focuses on the Korean-American and Korean-Canadian players who joined the team and their experiences in both countries, as well as those of the South Korean women overseas), and the personal disappointments and institutionalized sexism almost ubiquitous to women’s sports stories. And then you get the situation of the North Korean players, and the adverse effects of their entry into the team, and man, this is a painful book. It’s also a happy one—even at one or two removes, the joyful camaraderie that develops among the players is lovely to read about. I kind of wonder if they would have had more intimate stories to tell if the author had been a woman, or fully fluent in Korean, but I can’t complain about his handling of his material.
Zen Cho, Black Water Sister (novel)
A lot of fun, with the Zen Cho trademark of zany/funny and serious/painful in interwoven layers, all going on at once. Apart from the supernatural plot, I really liked the way we gradually see Jess’ parents more and more clearly, as Jess does, and I got so invested in a happy ending for all three of them. I almost wished the pace of events would slow down a while and let me bask in the language and setting and people more. Also, for me all the Hokkien and Malay involved in the text were a delight; more power to the author for not deliberately glossing all the phrases and making them work in context. (Irrelevant to the novel itself, I had fun figuring out the Mandarin equivalents for some of the Hokkien phrases and bringing to mind Malay words from the technical catalogs my former firm used to handle—like, I knew air hitam! I remembered it when it was pointed out! The things we learn.)
Alice Degan, From All False Doctrine (novel)
Given that, based on plot structure alone, this novel could accurately be described as a Christian romance, it is surprising how much I enjoyed it! It starts out VERY Sayers-y, although the wrong character is named Harriet, and ends up with generous dashes of Madeleine L’Engle and C.S. Lewis as well. I liked Elsa and Kit and Harriet and Peachy a lot, although I have to say that if this were a major fic fandom the number of Kit/Peachy fics would vastly outnumber anything else, their relationship is the core of the book in some ways and is more intense and interesting than either of the romances. One thing I think Degan does very well is to make it clear that Peachy is annoying and hard to put up with in some ways, while simultaneously lovable and worth knowing—the Kim Dokja conundrum, as it were. And his music sounds wonderful. Kit is a little bit too perfect, but the way his religious practice and belief are portrayed is genuinely moving and appealing—if only all of Christianity were like that. (Also, I’m TRYING to remember what other novel involves the Devil disguised as a woman and eventually driven out, but it’s not coming.)
Bernardine Evaristo, Girl, Woman, Other (novel)
Throughout this I had to keep reminding myself that I was reading a novel, not a brilliantly edited collection of oral histories (that’s a compliment), even though most of the sections are in third person. Some of it is brutal, and some very funny, and some satirical. As a onetime teacher, I think Shirley’s section struck me the most, chanting the names of her students, and struggling with changing times (also, among the small details, I loved Winsome’s book club).
Cynthia Harrod-Eagles, Headlong, Cruel as the Grave, Dying Fall (novels)
The latest installments in a super-long police procedural series set in London. A little repetitive in some ways but still very readable and satisfying—they tend to consist mostly of conversations with a wide variety of people involved with whatever crime it is this time, and the result is a lot of tiny slices of life, with the personal lives of the detectives on the side (Slider’s family life is constantly, gradually evolving, and Joanna is wonderful). This means that I can reread them repeatedly even when I know who the murderer was, which can’t be said for a lot of mysteries. (Also, although still with a long ways to go compared to Aaronovitch, somewhat less white-default than they used to be. And still with a large quantity of terrible puns.)
Higuchi Asa, 大きく振りかぶって vol. 36 (manga)
Un-melodramatic, as above, is one of my higher compliments, and it’s one of the things I really love about this manga, how un-melodramatic and un-sentimental it is—I think it’s very different from a lot of sports manga/anime that way. It’s very high on the realism, also almost totally gen, there are the gentle hints of Chiyo’s crush on Abe (and also the author knows exactly what she’s doing when she teases Abe/Mihashi) but it’s not about that either, it’s about the ten boys and Chiyo who make up the team and the adults around them, just small-scale, careful, detailed, affectionate characterization (and A LOT of baseball facts).
Ren Hutchings, Under Fortunate Stars (novel)
This was a disappointment, even though the summary sounded fascinating. I like ensemble casts, but somehow the effect here is to make all the characters feel like secondary characters, with no strong lead character throughline, and two-dimensional in their emotions and relationships—all the backstories and character beats felt predictable and expected. (I will give credit for the alien who could kill Jereth and doesn’t, that was powerful.) With the possible exceptions of the captain and the little engineering boyfriends, all the non-POV characters were just barely sketched in—Keila and Charyne are so important to the future I expected to get to know them better, but they had about two lines apiece, what’s-his-face who dies bravely likewise, and so on. The POV characters likewise seem to be characterized mostly by their respective traumatic pasts and present coping mechanisms, and Shaan and Uma in particular both come off as very young, even though they must be, what, thirties and early forties respectively at least? Everything feels very barren and stripped down to the bare essentials for the plot, without the surrounding characterization that would make them feel real. I kept reading it to find out how the plot worked out, and it was an interesting concept, but I’m not likely to go back to it. (Also, it leaves some questions weirdly unanswered. How did the Navigator die?)
L.D. Inman, Household Lights (novel)
A gentle interlude of struggling for harmony: Speir’s with her own body, Speir and Douglas in their friendship-or-whatever-it-is, Douglas in the tense postwar academy environment he has to handle without falling victim to or denying the past. I like “aftermath” stories, and this is a very good one, although I suppose it’s really the middlemath (not a word, but it should be).
C.L.R. James, Beyond A Boundary (memoir)
Even if, like me, your only real exposure to cricket is via Antonia Forest, this is immensely readable, James is a raconteur, with humor, passion, and grace. (Also he doesn’t explain anything if he doesn’t feel like it, you just keep up and follow along; it’s just the same as beginning an SF novel set in a culture you have to figure out as you go along.) I also now know a lot more about early 20th-century Trinidad and being black in prewar England than I did. (And I had to go back and listen to “Cricket, lovely cricket” just because.)
Freya Marske, A Marvellous Light (novel)
The magic system feels interesting and original, the plot seems to hang together (I’m never very good at reading for plot), and the writing is lovely at a sentence level. But, having read and liked the author’s fics, I’m surprised at how unsubtle the characterization feels—almost everyone is signposted as either Good Character, to be liked, or Bad Character, to be disliked, and the bad characters in particular are extremely two-dimensional, which makes them boring to read about. As with Natasha Pulley, only in a sense even more so, I feel I’m being manipulated to care about the main characters, and it’s not working very much. (For all her protagonist-centered characterization Pulley does write interesting and likeable minor characters here and there, which I haven’t seen Marske doing yet—I think the only examples are Miss Morrissey and her sister, who are sort of Good POC Rep Ex Machina.)
There are certain overall similarities to the original thing I’m working on, but the stories Marske wants to tell are very different from the ones I do (which is fine! Good even!). It’s an interesting parallax view.
There are certain overall similarities to the original thing I’m working on, but the stories Marske wants to tell are very different from the ones I do (which is fine! Good even!). It’s an interesting parallax view.
Tessa Morris-Suzuki, To the Diamond Mountains (nonfiction)
Traveling through China and both Koreas, Morris-Suzuki writes and observes really beautifully and knows the hell out of her subject; my only complaint is that the framing story, as it were, of Emily Kemp’s travels a century earlier remains very briefly sketched in, probably through necessity. Not a big book but a vivid one.
Janet Neel, I Meant To Be A Lawyer (memoir)
An autobiography written in very much the same dry, elegant style as her mystery novels, a lot of fun (and sometimes painful) to read. Striking in how straightforwardly she writes about family struggles, and how she seems to have liked and been liked by the vast majority of the (very wide range of) people she worked with (a notable exception being Margaret Thatcher). Francesca Wilson and her surroundings turn out to have been considerably more autobiographical than I knew, making it clear that Neel has managed the difficult task of blending autobiographical material seamlessly into good fiction writing. I wish this book talked more about her writing indeed—how and why she began, how she felt about using her own experiences, specific issues with individual books—but it’s still very good. (Incidentally, my mother recently sent Neel a fan email re her mysteries, and got a response saying "You have started me off on a new Francesca Wilson book…I am most grateful to you – it is going to be some time before Francesca or her closest associates need to rest in the afternoons or any other time,” so if a new volume comes out soon, please thank my mom!)
Nina Mingya Powles, Tiny Moons: A Year of Eating in Shanghai (memoir)
A gorgeous slim book—it is clear the author is a poet, although this is prose—about family and China and food (don’t read it when hungry). I’d like to read more expanded versions of many of the little jewel essays, but they’re for savoring as individual little bites, like the dumplings she describes so richly.
Huma Qureshi, How We Met (memoir)
I confess to having chosen this autobiography in part as research for one of my original characters; it didn’t tell me much of what I wanted to know in that sense but it’s a moving read, at least as much about the author grieving for her father as it is about finding her husband. Interesting about her interactions with her religion.
S. E. Robertson, The Healers’ Purpose (novel)
As mentioned in an earlier post, this is the third in (so far) a trilogy of secondary-world fantasy, and one I had a chance to beta-read, although I don’t know the author personally. The world-building is fabulous, a world that feels totally lived in, and it’s also a thoughtful meditation on learning to be who you are and take pride in it.
Jing Tsu, Kingdom of Characters (nonfiction)
Entirely down to me, because the book is straightforward about what it does: I would have liked, say, 90% stories about people and 10% technical information, rather than the roughly 50-50 split the book actually is. Tsu does a wonderful job of making these abstruse topics clear, but I just want to find out more about the people who worked on them. (The book does mention my adored Chao Yuen Ren, here Zhao Yuanren, in passing!)
Cynthia Zhang, After the Dragons (novel)
A short, sweet, sad urban fantasy? eco-fantasy? novel set in Beijing with dragons. I wouldn’t be surprised to find the author is in fandom somewhere—it felt vaguely fic-like to me, maybe because of the present tense and the way the m/m relationship is the main story arc—but it stands up as original work.
Phew! Photos: mostly from a day in Kyoto after the heaviest snowfall in a decade, we didn’t time our trip that way but it really doesn’t usually look like this. (No, those are not cherry blossoms. Really.) Also, just for fun, the results of my plot work for the second half of book 2 (next time I’ll use more different-colored post-its…) and me in lunarriviera's excellent Guardian T-shirt, with authentic Haixing pseudo-English as well.
Be safe and well.
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Date: 2023-01-29 05:32 pm (UTC)This is interesting, because I definitely prefer the early books (though I'm there with you re: violence and women), but I also really don't ship them. I wish there was more Nightingale later on though, "traumatised mage" is where I live ;)
After the Dragons sounds nice. By "sad" do you mean the ending or the overall mood?
Those snowy trees look beautiful. Way too cold for me, but beautiful. Thanks for sharing ❤
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Date: 2023-01-30 05:15 am (UTC)Agree, there should be more Nightingale! I really like him.
After the Dragons sounds nice. By "sad" do you mean the ending or the overall mood?
Oh, the overall mood. The ending is kind of quietly hopeful. (I'm a wimp, I can't do sad endings.)
Way too cold for me, but beautiful.
Glad you liked them! Kyoto is in a basin and gets no wind, which makes it unbearable in summer, but much easier to take in cold weather.
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Date: 2023-01-30 03:54 pm (UTC)Oh, thanks! In this case I'll add it to my list for when I'm in a mood for something like this :)
The city where I used to live in Poland was like that with no wind, but in our case, it meant that we had the worst air quality in Europe :
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Date: 2023-02-04 12:48 pm (UTC)Yeah, I think you might like it. One of the main characters is an iron-woobie type who might appeal to you ;)
it meant that we had the worst air quality in Europe :
Oh dear. I think Kyoto is spared that by lack of heavy industry/manufacturing/etc., but the summers are still hell...
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Date: 2023-01-29 06:22 pm (UTC)I'm actually really pleased you wrote up these two Rivers of London books, because I definitely read the first one, went, "Wow, this is weird about women," and never picked up another. But if you say that improves, there was much else to like!
Also very glad that someone else has read A Team of Their Own, which I read a few years back and had a very similar reaction to.
And Girl, Woman, Other! And Black Water Sister! Nina Mingya Powles! Beyond a Boundary!!! This post is really hitting the highlights of our shared tastes :D
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Date: 2023-01-30 05:21 am (UTC)Yes! Nice! That excerpt was painted on the doors of the library at my elementary school, many years ago, and I memorized it for some reason and can rattle it off to this day, probably inaccurately--"For books are more than books, they are the life, the very heart and soul, the reason why men lived and worked and died, the essence and quintessence of their lives."
these two Rivers of London books, because I definitely read the first one, went, "Wow, this is weird about women," and never picked up another. But if you say that improves, there was much else to like!
Opinions vary, but I think they get better in that sense! If the Abigail book, which is quite short, surfaces near you, I would give it a try and see what you think.
And I'm glad you've read so many of these! Several probably started out as recommendations from you, I've lost track of where I heard of what. Much appreciated :)
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Date: 2023-01-29 08:03 pm (UTC)Impressive photos, no snow here, alas :(
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Date: 2023-01-29 08:42 pm (UTC)OMg the snow on the trees looks like cherry blossoms. O_O Gorgeous!
Also yay handwriting! And that is such a great shirt. <3
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Date: 2023-01-30 05:22 am (UTC)Doesn't it? Amazing. Usually the comparison is the other way around ;)
and I really like that shirt! (You can't see it in the photo, but it's a V-neck, which I prefer to the usual high T-shirt collar, a nice variation to have available.)
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Date: 2023-02-04 12:49 pm (UTC)This is a good thing :)
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Date: 2023-01-30 02:56 pm (UTC)(And I am glad you enjoyed Black Water Sister, thank you!)
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Date: 2023-02-04 12:54 pm (UTC)Fair! I had more time for him because I have a soft spot for musicians (if he had been a brilliant artist instead of a composer I probably would've found him annoying...).
Kit and Elsa's dynamic just really worked for me.
Yes, I agree it was well done, especially further into the book, and I was very concerned with things working out well for them.
I was outraged that magic being a thing only gets established at some absurdly late point in the book, though -- I thought the solution to Peachy's disappearance was SO unearned! But I had a lot of fun arguing with myself about why I thought so and thinking of revisions to make the book work better.
Would read all these arguments/revisions if you ever feel like writing them out! I had a few of my own when I was reading, but they didn't stick when I was writing up the post. Like you, though, I really enjoyed it overall.
(And I am glad you enjoyed Black Water Sister, thank you!)
(Thank you for providing so much enjoyment! <3)
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Date: 2023-02-08 03:54 pm (UTC)So I'm not of the Dorothy L. Sayers school of thought where all the clues to the solution have to be presented to the reader, such that the reader could themselves solve the mystery if they wanted to. But I do think the ending of a book should be connected to the beginning, by which I mean, in this context, the ending should take place in the same world as the beginning. It's just unfair if you set a reader up to think "ok, the solution to this mystery could be that Peachy's run off with another woman, or committed suicide, or has been kidnapped" and then the solution turns out to be "the Devil turned Peachy into a weird facsimile of Kit" when there has been no suggestion previously that something like that is possible in the world of the book.
While I enjoyed the metaphysical fantasy once the book went there, I also thought the fact that the Devil etc turned out to be real in a way even the most supernaturalist Christians would say is not the case in real life undermined much of the power of the arc regarding Elsa's struggle with faith, and made Kit's faith/recovery less impressive. Like, why not be a believer if you have solid evidence the Devil is a thing and can do things like transform people into other people.
Given the book does end up in the realm of metaphysical hijinks and that seems pretty core to the author's vision, I don't think there's anything you can do about the latter point -- it's baked into the concept. (A different version of the book, where Elsa does or does not return to Christianity based on the kind of experiences and influences you could have IRL, would be a good book and in some ways more interesting to me, but I think that's not the book Degan necessarily wanted to write.) But the worldbuilding stuff you can solve, and I don't think it would have been that difficult. The only hint you get that magic might be a thing is the weird guy who shows up at the cult parties -- can't remember what they call him, but Elsa describes his face/the effect of his presence in such a way that is fantastical. So I think the book just needed a lot more laying of the ground of that kind in the first, IDK, 70% (can't remember precisely when it is you find out Peachy was turned into Kit by the Devil, but it's an outrageously late point in the story). Another simple fix would be to have more dodgy rumours surrounding the cult -- like, maybe other people connected to it have gone missing and you could build up that mystery and indicate the solution is supernatural.
I also thought the book had a fairly standard issue where nothing much happens for large stretches and then a lot of stuff happens at the end, plus key scenes are recounted by characters to other characters rather than happening in front of the reader. But those issues would need bigger structural edits to address, such that it would be a very different book if they were fixed!
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Date: 2023-02-10 11:15 am (UTC)and then the solution turns out to be "the Devil turned Peachy into a weird facsimile of Kit" when there has been no suggestion previously that something like that is possible in the world of the book. ... I also thought the fact that the Devil etc turned out to be real in a way even the most supernaturalist Christians would say is not the case in real life undermined much of the power of the arc regarding Elsa's struggle with faith, and made Kit's faith/recovery less impressive. Like, why not be a believer if you have solid evidence the Devil is a thing and can do things like transform people into other people.
It never occurred to me that having an obvious real Devil undermines the issue of faith--as in belief in something you can't see?--for Elsa and Kit. I think my brain filed it under "if you believe in the concept of a Devil in some sense, why not have one walking around?". Possibly guilty of a kneejerk Jewish "well, Christians, they might believe anything," which is at best a lazy way to read. I wonder if Kit's response would be that as a priest and a believer he has, regardless, equally solid evidence of Jesus doing things (probably not in a gray flannel suit, though)--I just don't know enough about their particular facet of Christianity.
A different version of the book, where Elsa does or does not return to Christianity based on the kind of experiences and influences you could have IRL, would be a good book and in some ways more interesting to me, but I think that's not the book Degan necessarily wanted to write.
I agree with you on both points. More in general, I've been thinking about religion, on account of trying to write characters who are devout followers of religions which are not mine, and wondering here if a version of Degan's book could have been written by someone who is not necessarily a committed Christian, and what it would look like. (Probably the answer is "yes, but why would they," but I'm still interested.)
the book had a fairly standard issue where nothing much happens for large stretches and then a lot of stuff happens at the end, plus key scenes are recounted by characters to other characters rather than happening in front of the reader.
Yes. My impression is that it's quasi-self-published? and I felt it needed a stricter editor to deal with long conversations which, while fun enough to read, contained a lot of padding, and to avoid this off-page issue--wait, that's a super important event, why are you just telling us about it after the fact! and so on.
All that said I did enjoy it a lot! I need to reread it, and might come back to this conversation when it's fresh in my mind again...thank you for giving me more to think about!
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Date: 2023-02-10 10:46 pm (UTC)Yeah, I just found the argument about faith that the book was making prior to the big Peachy reveal quite interesting and felt it was being done in a way I hadn't quite seen before, until the book completely altered the terms of the argument. I might be biased, though -- in Black Water Sister I don't think anything happens in the "real world" (as distinct from Jess's head/perception) that couldn't happen in our world, and one possible explanation of the book's events is Jess has completely lost it and is hallucinating a bunch of things. So there clearly is a part of me that feels that when it comes to real-world faith traditions it's somehow cheating if you include fantastical occurrences of the kind that really only happen in fiction. It's a rule I feel I could justify if I thought about it more, but I haven't worked out its basis yet ...
My impression is that it's quasi-self-published? and I felt it needed a stricter editor to deal with long conversations which, while fun enough to read, contained a lot of padding, and to avoid this off-page issue--wait, that's a super important event, why are you just telling us about it after the fact! and so on.
Yeah! On the other hand, I did like how idiosyncratic it was and how defiantly it wasn't the shape you'd expect a traditionally published fantasy novel to be. So though I have all these imaginary edit notes and arguments with the MS, on some level I wouldn't really want it to be any different!
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Date: 2023-02-11 11:13 am (UTC)Oh, interesting. I think this didn't bother me as much, when reading, because to me a lot of real-world faith traditions do seem to include, at least, belief in fantastical occurrences of this kind? I don't begin to know enough about the traditions you touched on in Black Water Sister to comment (although if you wanted to post on the topic some time I'd eat it up), but I feel like once you get into transubstantiation (if I'm spelling it right, oy) and saints' miracles and speaking in tongues and so on in Christianity, it's pretty fantastical, in the SFF sense. (Judaism, to the small extent I can speak for it, less so, but there is kabbalah etc.) So the leap to "the devil is real and palpable" didn't strike me as so jarring. Unless you have in mind "fantastical occurrences that don't require being a believer in the faith in question to perceive and admit to," which I can buy.
I did like how idiosyncratic it was and how defiantly it wasn't the shape you'd expect a traditionally published fantasy novel to be. So though I have all these imaginary edit notes and arguments with the MS, on some level I wouldn't really want it to be any different!
Yes, same! It's definitely in my "reread often" pile.
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Date: 2023-02-12 09:28 am (UTC)Yeah, that's more what I meant. You don't visibly see or feel anything happen with transubstantiation and any non-Christian can witness someone speaking in tongues, even if they may have different ideas on what the significance of that is. And anybody can look up a spirit medium becoming possessed by a god on YouTube -- you may just disagree with believers about what it is you're seeing. But your mate turning up having been physically transformed into a weird version of your boyfriend seems on a different scale of fantastical occurrence to me ...
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Date: 2023-02-20 04:01 pm (UTC)But your mate turning up having been physically transformed into a weird version of your boyfriend seems on a different scale of fantastical occurrence to me ...
okay, yeah, I grant you that one! I hadn't thought that far. (Now I'm also really curious about how the book reads to a reader who is a believing Christian of whatever denomination, because I feel like they'd have another take (or several) on it again.) Anyway, thank you for the really illuminating discussion! It's on my "to reread soon" pile, and I expect to have some more ideas/feelings about it the second time through. Watch this space, as they say.
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Date: 2023-01-30 05:50 pm (UTC)Lovely snowy trees!
I really enjoyed reading through your thoughts on various books (so much reading!); After the Dragons I almost bought at a street book festival in Toronto last year, might keep it on the maybe list. Kingdom of Characters has been on the list for a while and I should probably get to it before I lose access to the university library... I suspect I'm not getting back to more Rivers of London, though I enjoyed the first few books well enough. For some reason Black Water Sister hadn't been on my radar yet (probably because it came out last year and I'm not up to date), but that sounds like it would be up my street.
I sometimes feel like all British novels should be classified by amount of terrible (or genius) puns, even if Terry Pratchett would need his own class
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Date: 2023-02-04 12:56 pm (UTC)I just could not resist. (Haven't actually worn it anywhere yet but around here it would blend right in.)
Glad the book thoughts were helpful to you; let me know if you come across any of them and how you feel. (I hadn't ordered new books since the pandemic started, so this was a LOT of saved-up reading :) )
I sometimes feel like all British novels should be classified by amount of terrible (or genius) puns, even if Terry Pratchett would need his own class
lolol, that would be a seriously fun chart to make.
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Date: 2023-02-04 12:57 pm (UTC)Yes! What a good description. It was probably you I got the rec from, many thanks!
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Date: 2023-02-02 01:10 pm (UTC)I also think Rivers of London is getting better not worse.
I must do a Harrod Eagles reread when I have finished rereading all the Reginald Hill.
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Date: 2023-02-04 01:28 pm (UTC)Yes, exactly. (I think it was probably you who recommended the book, so thank you!) Also interesting to catch glimpses of the originals of various characters, major and minor.
I must do a Harrod Eagles reread when I have finished rereading all the Reginald Hill.
Those two series alone ought to keep you reading for a while. (I enjoy Reginald Hill every now and then, but he's a bit too...over the top? to be a regular subject of rereading for me.)
(Unrelatedly, I'm still patiently struggling with the bassoon, making very slow progress; I feel like I've been playing nothing but the middle G for a month, and it still hoots at me now and then, but at least not quite as often...).
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Date: 2023-02-06 05:33 am (UTC)* Curiously not the case with the other non-Peter novella, I thought! With the The October Man I felt like Aaronovitch struggled a bit with differentiating the narrator’s voice, but with Abigail imo he outdid himself, her narration feels so unique + real.
And I feel the same about Peter/Nightingale! For whatever reason it just doesn’t really ring true to me as a pairing, though I love them both. Agree that Nightingale seems very homosocial; when I inhaled the entire series last winter I kept wondering whether Aaronovitch might be hinting that Nightingale was more than just friends with David Mellenby, that still feels like it would totally scan.
I’ve liked them more and more as the series goes on
Me too, I think! (Though my top favorite is probably Foxglove Summer, which I guess falls somewhere in the middle? The fairy-centric story just appealed so directly to my interests, plus I adored the overall atmosphere of that one.) One of the big things for me was the full 180 Aaronovitch did with regards to how he writes about transness / trans people, I have to say; there was some stuff in the first couple books that made wince pretty hard, but he seriously made such a huge positive change in that area as he went on and that makes me so happy! This one quote from Hanging Tree is still my favorite thing. (Authorial character growth!)
Thank you for all the book writeups, added a few of these to the to-investigate list! And the Kyoto photos are lovely :)
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Date: 2023-02-10 11:03 am (UTC)Agree all around! The first time through I barely followed the plot because I was so delighted by the voice(s), but I'm really looking forward to savoring the whole thing on a reread.
I kept wondering whether Aaronovitch might be hinting that Nightingale was more than just friends with David Mellenby, that still feels like it would totally scan.
Yes, absolutely. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Aaronovitch had said who, Nightingale? oh, he's not gay, at some point, but maybe he'll come around on that point as he did on the trans issues? We can hope.
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